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Sin all Depends on what you believing In, faith is what you make it that's the hardest shit since MC Ren.." 3 stacks Aquemini
It started out as a simple Facebook status. Yes I do update my status while joyriding through the cosmos impersonating Carl Sagan. That's for all my science channel heads, I to get my nerd on. Although Atliens is my favorite Outkast album, Aquemini is probably my favorite song of theirs. Andre's last 8 bars is one of his greatest raps in my opinion. So I posted his lyrics as my status and this guy I know back from my earth days in a distance yesterday commented. "You willing to bet eternity on that? Ecclesiastes 12:13-14." I laughed, took a cool breath, then chuckled once more. I thought to myself, just wait, just wait, since I had previous items on my bird that needed to be dealt with. I signed off and dealt with my more important matters. I returned to type this: "First and foremost I am not a christian. Secondly, I wouldn't trust my soul or spirituality to a book of stories, metaphors, and allegories written by men who may or may not have been kosher people. There are lessons to be learned in all religious books as well as secular ones but as far as subscribing to one or saying that some guy is my savor is just not my cup of tea. I prefer green or black tea with a good amount of honey. Your belief is truth to you because you have convinced yourself that it is, but don't assume that your belief is the ultimate truth as I wouldn't claim mine to be cause most likely we're all wrong. And lastly I was quoting a lyric from one of my favorite Outkast songs." I cant wait for the response seeing how I do enjoy civil discourse. I prefer it to be in person, but I guess Facebook correspondents will suffice for the time being.
Fly to the heavens, don't run or the devil is gonna getcha.... !
Update time .. his response:
to the first, I would say... I did not suppose you were. Did you read the text? Do you believe in God? To the second, we all trust our soul to something (the pursuit of fame, power, material wealth, etc). Who or what have you chosen to entrust your soul? If I do recall Socrates was a tea guy and didn't really end well for him. I think the lesson is relevant here, don't just drink the tea .. examine it. Thus my question to you is this... have you examined the validity of the bible, the claims Jesus, or have you simply drank the "tea" culture that postulates conjecture without fact, conviction without consistent thought. Additionally, do you believe there is ultimate truth? Before you answer know this... if you say "no" you have deposited an "ultimate" claim of "truth" and if you say "yes" then you agree there is ultimate truth. Thus epistemologically speaking you can know it. To the last, I would say I love Outkast. I just wouldn't build a philosophy of life off of them. Great hearing from you Steve. I welcome you comments. I pray you receive mine in love. If you truly "want change" it will only come through the person and work of Jesus. Everything else is political jargon. Peace.
My response:
The one thing I know is that I know nothing at all. That statement being my foundation, as yours is the Bible/Jesus. Do I believe in a God? Regardless If I do believe or if I don't believe there is absolutely no way to prove it. So in that sense, I'm agnostic. However my definition of "God" would be the sum of all things. So in that sense I guess I side with pantheism, minus the worship of all deities and gods as I don't worship any prophet or God. I see this source more as possibility/probability then a jealous deity watching over our every move. If it wasn't for us and our brains the "idea" of God would never have existed. Those who fear God believe that he created everything, however we have created the IDEA of him. "We all trust our soul to something...Who or what have you chosen to entrust your soul? " Well since nothing is something I guess I entrust my soul to nothing. As Descartes stated, "I think therefore I am." I trust that I know nothing but can think about everything, whether it be metaphysics, epistemology, quantum theories, religion, Jesus, or Socrates. I can think about all of them without having to entrust my soul to anyone of them. "Socrates was a tea guy and that didn't end well for him....have you examined the validity of the bible, the claims of Jesus, or have you simply drank the "tea"." Funny, because the hemlock he sipped before death, in my opinion, has the same effect as religion. Depending on the dose, initial symptoms can be confusion and paralysis. The bible is a book heavily promoted and marketed over the years. I do not believe that it is the infallible Word of God. "If you truly "want change" it will only come through the person and work of Jesus." I couldn't disagree with you more. I do not deny the fact that some people have turned their life around for the better after finding the Bible/Jesus but at the same time countless others have had the same life changing experience with other religious, new age, and or secular self help books. We don't give ourselves enough credit for making that change, instead we project it upon a specific God, Prophet, Religion, etc. To me it doesn't matter whether Jesus was real or not, the idea of him born of flesh becoming a fully recognized human is something that is possible for all. Siddhartha Gautama and other figures besides Jesus reached enlightenment; Jesus performed miracles as well as Krishna. The story of a virgin birth can be found in other cultures well before Jesus, such as in ancient Kemet. Who is right, who is wrong? Who cares? We can never know. You can disagree, with what you perceive to be infallible facts due to your convincing of self that your belief is truth. So in your world it all make sense, but to some, it's completely ridiculous and unfathomable. "Do you believe there is ultimate truth?" If I say no there is no ultimate truth then that becomes my ultimate truth, therefore, there is an ultimate truth. This a good mind teaser/thought experiment that I use to play but only those who don't think on a regular basis get caught up on those type of ideas and semantics. We do agree however that Outkast is great. I was just quoting a line that i like, not building a philosophy of life off of it. I deal with doubt, theories, and thoughts. Certainty is overrated. If we all believed the same thing the world of ideas would be a pretty boring place. I wish you success in all your endeavors.
To the future I freshly fly ... .. .